HSmommi2mine wrote:Every time someone comes on here and asks where they should start, they are pretty universally told to start in ECC. While it is a good year and it useful to help the kids know geography in the later years I think we do a disservice to people when we universally recommend ECC as a starting point.
We did ECC but we could have easily gotten by without it by making sure we emphasized map work in the history years (which I have to do anyway because my younger one didn't do much of ECC map-work).
Why stop in the middle of a 4 year cycle without good reason? I often see people use ECC, decide it's not "enough" and never even get to the history years. I always feel bad because I want these people to see this history years so that they understand the reasoning behind ECC. Maybe I just want them to be devoted and get hooked with the history years so then when they do ECC they can see how it fits so nicely.
ECC makes perfect sense for younger kids going through the whole cycle but I don't think it is good to interrupt the history cycle for an upper grammar kid. Just my two pennies, YMMV. - ducking the tomatoes.
cbollin wrote:Classical education is not just chronological history. It is about the goals educators had for their children. ECC meets one of those long term goals in my homeschool.
hsmom24boyz wrote:I am still struggling with where to start my boys who will be in 4th and 7th next year. This will be our first with MFW. We had planned on starting with Exploring Countries and Cultures, but looking at the catalog, we have already read/done several of the books: Window on the World, Maps and Globes, Geography from A to Z, Living World Encyclopedia, Fun with EAsy Origami, George Muller, Gladys Aylward, Bruchko.
So, while I think ECC looks exciting, there are just far too many books we've already done. I don't know what the book basket books are, but my guess is we've probably already done those too(we've done SL cores Pre-K through 4)
Would we be ok to start with CTG? Is there any reason we shouldn't start there? Thanks for any tips or advice!
4littlehearts wrote:This will be the first year that we would use MFW since we did Adventures a year ago. I know the reasoning behind starting ECC first, BUT I would like to ease into MFW and which program would be the easiest program to do that with? I realize all of this is a matter of opinion, so please share with me your opinion. (BTW, I would have a 4th grader, 7th grader(I was planning on using the 7-8th grade supplement if we use ECC), and I have a first grader).
4littlehearts wrote:Thanks ladies for all of the helpful tips and comments.
BTW, if I gave my kids a say, they want to do ECC.
mommax3 wrote:Hi. I'm going to use MFW for my two dds (they will be 2nd and 6th grade). I'd really, really like to start with the 1st year of history and skip over the ECC. I definitely like that program, but feel like they would get so much more from Creation to the Greeks? Will I completely mess them up if I skip ECC?
Thanks for your help,
MillerFmlyFun wrote:Hi everyone! I have 4 children (15yo, 10yo, 8yo, 5yo). For the 3 younger ones, I am considering adding the MFW Rome to Reformation Package. I am concerned about being able to get it all done in 4 days/week. Also MFW recommends starting with Exploring Countries- in light of the CC geography and history cycles is it ok to jump into Year 3-Rome to Reformation?
prov31sandra wrote:OK, I was thinking of skipping ECC and starting my 2nd and 4th graders in CTG. But, now I'm not so sure. Is ECC fun? Is it repetitive? I've read some reviews saying it got kind of old doing the same thing for every country.
My kids know basic continents, have read 2 children's encyclopedias of the World, they know basic cultural/people groups from reading the Usborne PEOPLE book over and over, and they know some main countries on the globe such as India, several countries in Europe, Japan and China. They have both read Hero Tales Volume 1.
They haven't eaten food or created art from different countries. They haven't tied in their missionary reading with specific countries, or had any of this all tied together in a unified way.
THey love anything we do together, so I do think they would like learning about more geography. THey DON'T like making mini-books, lapbooks, or anything that just requires filling blanks and pasting. They don't like coloring. They like to draw and tell stories.
So....maybe I should be wise and back up since ECC is so foundational? Or maybe we've covered enough geography and cultures and should move on? Should I just ask them?
abrightmom wrote:I do understand the "why" behind ECC being Year 1 of the Family Cycle (which I love). However, there are three thoughts driving my question. The first is hearing that many consider CTG to be easier than ECC although the reasons for that vary. The second is a desire to allow all of my kids to study ECC at the same time when they're at a good age for it. Using ECC now means that my oldest will hit HS before his younger siblings come back around to ECC (they'll be at awesome ages for it too). The third thought is that no kid really gets the cycle perfectly except for the oldest which is another factor playing into my ponderings.
I'm awaiting funding and a final decision from my DH. In the meantime I've been pondering what to do for our path. ECC would be next for us and we'd be starting in late in the school year. I have no intention to rush through so we'd finish sometime in 4th grade for my oldest child. This led me to wondering about ECC vs CTG. ECC is so rich and meaty. It seems like a great year to do together, as a family, when the children are all at the ideal ages for it. If CTG is really "easier" then perhaps we should start there and hit ECC in 2 or 3 years when all the kiddos are ready for the potentially awesome discussions, stories, etc. By that time, by God's grace, I could have children who love the LORD and would be "heart ready" for the content of ECC. Sigh.
Julie in MN wrote:Well, one thing to think about is that the transition to ECC might be harder just because it's a transition to a multi-age level, so it might be the same transition if you start with CTG? Not sure.
The other thing I think about is learning to pray for people before you start with the human failures in CTG. Because my ds had done ECC first, the strange beliefs and such of CTG caused nothing but pity for my son. Not sure if doing CTG first would have been the same?
Just a couple things to think thru,
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