Diplomas, Transcripts, Course Descriptions, Credits

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Wendy B.
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Diplomas, Transcripts, Course Descriptions, Credits

Unread post by Wendy B. » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:53 pm

Diplomas/credit proof?
chris629 wrote:I know we have some time but when the boys start to get closer, how do we go about diplomas? How do you keep track and prove credits? What kind of work do you keep for getting into college?
I've graduated 2 students. One is in college and the other joined the Navy under the homeschool waiver.

A Diploma is a piece of paper. You can print one off your computer or order one. Search the net there are several options for diplomas. We ordered ours off the internet. We gave our homeschool an official name. It's lovely and packed in a box somewhere. It was a necessary piece of documentation for joining the Navy. If you look under "Our Grads" on my blog you can see a picture of my grads with their diplomas.

A transcript is the way you track and "prove" credits. Again you can search the internet and find a template that you like. Each year you add in the credits that you completed. I keep a running log during the year.....actually my teens kept a running log during the year. It is not an overly complicated process.

I kept all papers sorted by year and subject during highschool years. No one ever looked at them except me! So it wasn't really necessary in our case. I had an accordian type folder and if they wrote an English paper I put in the file. I did this for each subject.

My dd who is in college---took the college entrance exams, applied and was accepted. They wanted a copy of her transcript but barely looked at it. Check the box on her file---trascript on file. That was it. Super simple.

My son who joined the Navy under the homeschool waiver was a little bit more complicated. I had to talk to the Educational Specialist who asked my 20 questions about his highschool career while looking at his transcript. The only adjustment I made on his transcript was to note which courses where taught in a classroom setting. Super simple. Apparently I answered the questions appropriately because he was approved to take the ASVAB under the homeschool waiver and is now currently serving. :)
chris629 wrote:I will be saving school work but I was just wondering at the elementary age how important is this? In our state, Indiana, we have 3 'rules' teach all the basics, science, history, math, english etc, 180 days of school, and to keep a record of attendance (which really I just have written down every day what we do, not necessarily proof I guess that we did it but its there of what we will do that day, what subjects, what worksheets etc.

I kept getting asked and then I didn't know how to explain it but really had no idea how important it was (or wasn't) and what we would do. I bookmarked the links so I can refer back to when needed.
This is such a personal choice unless you have some requirement by law. I keep items for a few years then do a hard toss. WIth the younger kids, I will keep their history/science notebooks but toss the English/Math stuff. I keep my TM which is record of what we did. I also keep a notebook with goals and comments throughout the years--this is the most useful for me.

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Re: Diplomas/credit proof?

Unread post by cbollin » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:58 pm

I know Wendy has given great advice.

I wanted to show some links that might help a bit too.

Take a look at some of MFW's planning guide and 4 year course of study high school plan on this link
[scroll down to the PDF links] http://www.mfwbooks.com/products/14/Dec ... h-School-/

as well as around page 9 or so on the sample of this high school program
http://www.mfwbooks.com/downloads/pdfs/ ... sample.pdf

Yes, MFW can meet Core 40. Who knows what that will look like by the time your oldest is there ;)

quick resource that has helped me:
http://www.hslda.org/highschool/

check out the whole transcripts, planning, diploma on that link. there are samples of easy to do transcripts. Ask around for someone who lives near you (or if you go to the IAHE convention) for how they handle the credit for semester vs. year thing. you know what I'm talking about even if no one else on the thread does.

Like Wendy said, the diploma is a piece of paper. I have never in my life needed a copy of my high school diploma. I needed high school transcript to get into college. I have only needed my college diploma for one thing in my life: when I applied to be an official achievement tester through bob jones university. they wanted to see a copy of the diploma to verify I had a bachelors.

anyway... diplomas are cool to hang in offices of professionals as talking pieces.

-crystal

cbollin

High school Diploma ?

Unread post by cbollin » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:54 pm

gratitude wrote:Another home school mom this morning at church was talking about high school diplomas this morning. I have always thought that we would home school through high school, the Lord Be Willing, but this discussion made me wonder of what it really means for their future opportunities.

How do home school students receive high school diplomas? Do they need them to get into college? Is it possible to put together a high school transcript? Does MFW give diplomas?

The answers to these questions can be very short and simple. I don't need details since my oldest is in 2nd grade. Thank you!
I think one of the best resources out there for all of the transcript, diploma, etc. is on HSDLA high school website.

start here
http://hslda.org/highschool/diploma.asp

then go here
http://hslda.org/highschool/academics.asp#transcripts

then
http://www.mfwbooks.com/downloads/pdfs/ ... _Guide.pdf

and here
http://www.mfwbooks.com/downloads/pdfs/ ... _Study.pdf

read through those hslda things and it will all make more sense by the time you're there. A few things that are the case now, may not be the case as your child gets older. Apparently some trade schools need either an accredited diploma or a GED. So if you have a child who wants to go into cosmetology (hair styling stuff, right?)... some of those places are still unsure how to treat homeschoolers. Some state universities in "strict homeschool law states" seem to ask homeschoolers to jump through other hoops as well. But for the most part... it's like hslda is saying parent transcripts and ACT/SAT scores to back it up. I know some people who get transcript notarized.

-crystal
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Re: High school Diploma ?

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:09 pm

Yes, I <heart> HSLDA for making nice transcripts easy to make.

I also <heart> MFW for making grades easy to calculate. If you scroll thru the sample from page 9 to page 14, you'll see it's all laid out for you.
https://www.mfwbooks.com/downloads/pdfs ... sample.pdf

There is also some more conversation/clarification on this thread: (above)
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Re: High school Diploma ?

Unread post by gratitude » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:25 pm

cbollin wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:31 pm
agreeing with Julie...

I <heart> MFW for making it easy to calculate grades with integrity!

-crystal
Thank you Julie and Crystal! The links were very helpful and eye opening and reassuring. Thank you!

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Course Descriptions for High School

Unread post by TriciaMR » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:06 pm

AnnieMarie wrote:I am prepping for my dd14 AHL year, and a lot of the material I am reading through talks about writing course descriptions for the transcript. I was wondering if the grade sheets for each of the classes that are provided in the manual is enough for the description or do I need to expand a bit? TIA
You know, talking to a friend who has graduated one from MFW - she had to provide course descriptions to her cover school, but the colleges never asked for them - all they wanted was a transcript and ACT scores... A transcript is just the course name, number of credits, and the grade for each course taken, plus a GPA.

Now, a friend who has a son joining the Marines, she's had to have detailed course descriptions, book lists, etc. And, if your child will participate in an NCAA sport in college, you might need that.

But, my understanding is that a transcript and test scores (ACT and/or SAT) are what most colleges are looking for. (And talking to people who have worked in college admissions, it mostly comes down to that ACT and/or SAT score.)

Personally, I'm keeping a "course description" document - I just use MFW's descriptions from the web site and cut and paste them in there, along with the list of books for the year. That way I don't have to scramble *if* I should need something like that. But, my guess is I'm not going to need it.

Something like this would be fine:

9th Grade Bible: Old Testament Survey. Read through the entire Old Testament, applying its truths to your life with insightful questions.

Ancient History: Study history from Creation through the time of the Greeks. Assignments includes reading with comprehension questions, map work, and in-depth information about Creation and early man. Students also create a detailed timeline book.

English 1: Develop composition skills with comprehensive lessons for writing essays. Enjoy and analyze (from a Christian perspective) literature written during or about the ancient period: the Bible, The Epic of Gilgamesh(condensed version), The Cat of Bubastes, Bulfinch's Greek and Roman Mythology, The Iliad, and The Odyssey. Vocabulary, grammar and comprehension and critical thinking questions included.

For Math: Algebra 1
For Science: Biology
For electives: a brief description of the course from the publisher.

I got a copy of a local high school course catalog to see how they described their courses. That was helpful.
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Re: Course Descriptions for High School

Unread post by AnnieMarie » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:26 pm

Oh Trish, that is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thank you.
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Re: Course Descriptions for High School

Unread post by TriciaMR » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:18 pm

A friend of mine found this, for a *really* detailed example of course descriptions:

http://www.hslda.org/highschool/academics.asp#CD

But that seems a bit over the top. I can't imagine most colleges wanting to wade through all that for each class ;)
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Re: Course Descriptions for High School

Unread post by RobertJordan » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:19 am

This info is also useful for me Trish. Thumbs up!

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Re: Course Descriptions for High School

Unread post by dhudson » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:56 am

You can blend the idea of a course description onto the transcript using the name of the resources you are using to give colleges an idea of the level of coursework. For instance, for my ds' High School transcript:

Algebra 1
Life of Fred Algebra 1
Art of Problem Solving Algebra 1

I did that for each of his classes for all four years so that colleges could see the level of work done.
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help me out here! High school questions!

Unread post by Julie in MN » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:53 pm

rawbanana wrote:I am starting my 14 yr old in AHL this fall. I've looked up what is required in my district for high school (and what a local college requires for admission).
Can you tell me what each subject/book in AHL would count towards?
I'm CLUELESS when it comes to knowing how to 'do' high school! I know kiddos can take electives but how do you 'mark' those? What counts as an elective (my 14 yr old LOVES horse back riding so she hopes that will 'count' somehow) =)

[link no longer working] If you click on that link and go to the page marked '2' you will see the requirements. can you tell me what in AHL would fit into what category??

Thank you!!!!
Hi Anna,
<hugs> as you start to get worried about high school :) It's good you're trying to get things figured out for your student.

I took a look at your local high school requirements and they seem pretty typical -- 4 years of English, 3 years or so of math and science and social studies. They expect an unusual amount of phy ed credits, looks like the equivalent of 1.5 school years, so it's possible you might want to look at horseback riding as physical education, if it seems to fit.

I'm glad you mention the college requirements, because those are really what you want to be looking at. The high school, though, gives us a gauge of what local colleges "are used to" -- even though they also will expect some variation -- but homeschoolers don't need to match local public schools. Even in the strictest states, any high school course requirements are pretty general.

Anyways, MFW has figured all these things out for you. If you go to the AHL page on the website, you can click on samples: http://www.mfwbooks.com/products/15/Anc ... e/#Samples

You might want to print out pages 10-11 of the AHL sample. Page 10 shows a couple of typical college expectations (Wheaton, Harvard, U of Minnesota). Those requirements are pretty similar to your local school district, except the very competitive colleges prefer 4 full years of math, science, and sometimes social studies (history, government, econ), and they often expect foreign language credits.

All is not lost if your student doesn't get in every last credit, but the risks tend to be:
(a) if there are many applicants, your student might need to stand out in other ways, such as a high test score, and
(b) your student might be required to make up that extra requirement while in college, and of course it could end up costing extra.

Okay, then page 11 of the AHL sample shows a sample MFW transcript. You will see that if you follow the plan, your student will have all of the requirement for all of the schools. At my house, we changed a few things, and I definitely used my son's interests to create credits -- I usually require 60-90 hours and some kind of a written course outline of what was done or a paper trail with photographs showing what was done, and then I have given him credit in electives like "weightlifting" and "engines & auto body." Giving lots of elective credits is not necessary, since colleges care about the core courses far more, but sometimes electives help fill the transcript or meet college expectations like phy ed, health, or fine arts.

Basically the MFW plan made it very easy for me to gauge the big picture, to cover the important bases, and to create a transcript that was accepted for my son's college courses he took during high school. I'm not saying high school is all a bed of roses, I did pull my hair out at times, but I've done high school without MFW and believe me, it was easier with MFW ;)

Hopefully that helps a bit. If not, keep asking questions!
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Re: help me out here! High school questions!

Unread post by rawbanana » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:55 pm

Thank you so much for the lengthy reply, this helps so much =)
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Question about diplomas

Unread post by wbbeachbum » Sun Aug 14, 2016 1:32 pm

Kelly1730 wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:46 pm
Good Sunday Afternoon:)

We are getting ready to start 9th grade, Ancient History, next week and I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row. Just wondering what those of you with high school students are doing about diplomas? I know there are diploma programs out there and I also know that homeschool parents can print there own diplomas.

Do colleges frown upon parent-issued diplomas? We are not sure what the boys will want to do when they graduate so I really want to keep all their options open. My four older children graduated from public and private schools so the diploma was never an issue before.
We issue our own diplomas.

For college admission, military admission, etc., the most important piece of paper is the transcript. AHL's introduction has information on what to put on the transcripts.

This year, you and the boys should start looking at some options and making sure that they will meet the entrance criteria with the transcript. For example, if the universities in your area or interest request 3 years of Foreign language then make sure that your child completes this requirement.

My eldest daughter went to a local university. This university based her college entrance on their college entrance exam. She did not take the SAT or ACT. The transcript was merely a piece of paper that needed to be filed.

My eldest son joined the military. I had to submit his diploma and transcript. Before he went to MEPS, I had to speak to an Educational Specialist who asked me questions regarding his transcript. For example, "What resources did you use to teach English?" and "How many hours per day did your child do schoolwork?".

This son is currently enrolling in an university that has a contract with the military. I had to submit his transcript. This may have been the first opportunity for this counselor to work on the admission of a homeschool graduate who is a member of the military. There was some confusion at first. However, homeschooling is a valid form of education, and it all worked out.

Be sure to keep a copy of their transcripts. Be able to answer questions regarding how you issued credits, hours per credit, resources used, etc.

Neither of my older children used MFW high school program since it did not exist at that time. I used a template that I found online for our transcripts. For my older kids, I kept a notebook with the name of the books used for a course. I did not have a detailed course description for each course. I thought if I needed that amount of information then I would create if for them.

I also have a 9th grader. In the front of his manual, I am writing down the titles of resources that we are using for his non-MFW courses such as math, foreign language, etc. Next summer, I will add the completed courses and grades to his transcript.
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Re: Question about diplomas

Unread post by Kelly1730 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:33 pm

I appreciate your insight, thank you so much! It's nice to know that someone else with a 9th grade son is starting this AHL journey too :)
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Re: Question about diplomas

Unread post by DS4home » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:56 pm

I have graduated 3 kids from our homeschool so far (one more to go)! :-)
We have always ordered a diploma from an online site. They come in a case and have a nice raised seal on them, very nicely done. But nobody looks at it after the graduation party is over.

My kids have been accepted to 4 colleges all together. The universities have only wanted us to send them a transcript and their ACT/SAT scores. So agreeing with the previous poster, focus more on getting the transcript created. That's what you'll need multiple copies of!

And it's not as scary as it sounds either. There are templates and lots of helps out there. I am notorious for creating ours in the week we are wanting to send off that first application. ;) Granted, I do keep good records all through high school, so I simply have to compile it all into one form in the end.

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Re: Question about diplomas

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:42 pm

Me too :)

I used a transcript I found on the HSLDA site, filling in the courses as described in the MFW high school lesson plans. I did talk to an HSLDA consultant about a couple of nontraditional credits I gave my son.

Then I bought the HSLDA diploma for his graduation party. That was just a gift for my son, and he was surprised and pleased. No one else has asked to see it, and he's been to three colleges (2 Christian colleges during high school, 1 large public university after high school).

In my own life, the only time I was asked for my diploma was when I started to homeschool !! My local school district wanted to see my college diploma in order to release me from the supervision requirements that were in place at the time. I had to dig around for a while, but I found it :~

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Re: Question about diplomas

Unread post by Kelly1730 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:06 pm

Thank you all so much! You just really confirmed my thought that I don't really "need" to go through a diploma program. MFW already has the credits all mapped out for me, I just need to plug them in to a transcript and add our extras! Love it!
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Re: Question about diplomas

Unread post by Missy OH » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:24 am

Some jobs may still ask for that diploma so having it on hand is nice.

We are pleased with the transcripts we've made using HSLDA site.

My oldest went to a community college and they just wanted his act/sat scores to know where to place him.

My younger two are going to a bible college and they wanted both transcripts and act/scores. No one asked for the diploma.

We do not have experience with any large universities, yet. My oldest is thinking of continuing on so we will see how that goes.

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