AHL after extensive ancients/OT studies
Hi, we discovered MFW and have been using it for the past two years. Wish I would have discovered it earlier and discovered this board earlier, too!
My son will be in 9th grade next year. He is not interested in studying ancients at all. We did an extensive study on AH and the old testament in previous years. He is ready to move on. He does enjoy world history and US history, so I went ahead and picked up World History for him to use in 9th grade, then we'll move on to US 1 in 10th grade and US 2 in 11th grade. For 12th grade, I plan on enrolling him in some college courses and don't plan on doing a lot of schooling at home anyway.
So my question is.....will we be okay with the writing and literature by skipping AHL and moving right into WHL in 9th grade? I just don't want to miss something there because if that is the case, I may switch gears and not use MFW for the Lit portion and use something else just to avoid going back to ancient history.
Welcome to the board!
with a screen name like yours,... I'll go get us some moon pies.
You've done plenty of Old Testament. and feel like if you do more ancients, it will be not the right thing....ok... I"ll think out loud with you to get some talk started...... the other option is to call mfw office for even more opinion and feedback.
Because the argumentative essay is covered thoroughly in AHL, it doesn't get coverage in WHL the same way. you have a goal that in 12th grade to be in college courses... you will want to have something at some point to do argumentative essay. I'm not sure how to suggest that in 9th in WHL. WHL uses a book for writing instruction called Writer's Inc. In that book, students will have time for research paper and many other types of writing.
Where is your student's writing currently? What kinds of programs have you used in jr. high?
and same thing with literature analysis -- what did you use in jr. high for that?
which 2 years of MFW have you done... that might give some extra flavor for answering
RCCOLA wrote:Let's see...sitting down with a moon pie and thinking....
For the past two years we have done Writing Strands 3 and 4. For literature analysis we did Progeny Press Guides and the Literature analysis provided in our previous program.
I was thinking if we didn't use MFW's Lit, we would use IEW's Windows to the World for 1/2 semester and maybe use Excellence in Literature to round out the year.
My preferences in my family are to connect history and literature and writing as much as possible. So, I'd lean toward using WHL as written. Adding "skill based" on as needed basis.
From what you've listed, you should be fine with the plan you have to do WHL without AHL in terms of writing and literature analysis.
some ideas to consider if you see the need.... during weeks 3-10 in WHL, the English focus is on learning to write and then writing a research paper. It is suggested to also pick a historical fiction novel or novels to read to round out the English time each day. For some students, the research paper will be "enough". For other students, adding in "optional" reading is needed.
That would be a good time, if you need more in depth analysis, to add in a Progeny Press guide related to history in those weeks or coming weeks. You could do Eagle of the Ninth (MFW sells that..one and it is listed by PP as 7th-9th). You could
If you feel the need to do a longer analysis on Julius Caesar... PP has a guide for that. I haven't used that one. Bronze Bow is listed as a "lighter English reading" while doing research paper and there's a PP guide for that.
and if you see a need for more direct instruction in specific writing skills, you might find something for that.
In terms of learning argumentative essay structure.. that will be important to learn at some point. You might do a summer unit on that - a little before 9th and then a little before 10th. Prompts could come easily from any Progeny Press Guides, and then you could get the MFW AHL Lit/comp guide and use the first 70 pages of that program for the grammar and structure of essay. The grammar in those pages of that supplement are designed to help the student go back to any essay that has been written and edit and improve the essay with grammar points... The first part of the lit/comp guide will work the student through the process of how to write the essay, and how to evaluate it.
so I might just suggest getting that one book from AHL, do an essay in the summer as a little bit of summer courses... you might glance through the other pages in that guide, see if you have used those books and maybe see if those prompts would be helpful? but yeah.. for $33 dollars that would be a nice resource for learning essay even if it's just those pages you use and then keep them for reference for future essay writing.
Other people think it's not very detailed in instruction. You might order it or check it out at convention and see if you need more detail.
how does that sound?
fill in the writing need in small summer sections.
and if you want more lit analysis... do the optional thing in weeks 3-10 and consider a PP guide for that.
so.. yes, I think using MFW can meet your goals