RTR - Weeks 6 & 7

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RTR - Weeks 6 & 7

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Weeks 6 & 7.
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Week 6: RTR arch question (pudding boxes?)

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kellybell wrote:Hi all,

We're really looking forward to doing RTR this year. I read ahead some and see we're making an arch out of pudding mix boxes. Well, today's paper has those individual cereal boxes on sale for less than $2 an eight-pack. That's cheaper than pudding boxes and the dc's would love them on our upcoming campout!

I was wondering if the individual cereal boxes (they are all the same size) would work for this arch project, or does it HAVE to be the pudding boxes?

Thanks for the insight!
Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:42 pm
Author: cbollin

It might. There is one part of me that wants to say --- that would be a great experiment to compare how they would work. The cereal boxes are a little bit bigger than pudding boxes.

Here's the story of the pudding boxes. The Hazells are geting the Roman Arch project going. They find some instructions that involve an electric knife and foam rubber. I don't think so, says David. So, off to the grocery store he goes with the kids. As David tells this story, he sends them up and down aisles. They got about $400 worth of groceries just to try to find the right size boxes. The pudding boxes worked best for them. Just remember with pudding to mark the packet with the flavor so you don't make mystery flavor pudding for a few weeks. At least with cereal, you can usually see through to tell if it is cheerios or frosted flakes.

From our house files: we didn't make an arch. We went to the local science center and built one with their foam rubber blocks that were pre cut. So --- uh hmmm well, I never claimed that I did ALL the good stuff in RTR. :) (I'll get better)

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:20 pm
Author: Lucy

I think they may work. Whatever you use they do need to be all the same size. Also when you get to this in the book they will suggest covering them with sandpaper. I highly reccommend this for a fool proof project. Have a great year.
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Notes for RTR weeks 6-7

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* The hymn by Haydn/Newton for Tuesday is also in Then Sings My Soul.

* Don't miss the drawings of arch bridges in the teacher's manual -- as noted in the manual, they are so much more accurate than the drawing lesson this week!

* I allowed ds to make his own page on aqueducts (since he doesn't like to color), but I didn't realize we hadn't covered all of the topic yet because we were ahead in science or something like that, and that meant he didn't really understand aqueducts yet. If you are a little out-of-order by this point, as we were, then be sure not to miss the connection between all the aqueduct pieces throughout this week -- Monday's history, Wednesday vocab, & Thursday science.
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Tricia Croke wrote:I'm feeling VERY dense right now :(

We are not understanding the directions for the Roman arch. We emptied out the boxes and cut the flaps off the opened end of each pud. box-but do we cut ALL the pudding boxes down the side?? The directions say to collapse the open end and tape narrower side--what does that mean?? We cannot figure out where to tape or how we are to collapse the boxes. Do we stand the cereal boxes upright or lay them down?? If the cereal boxes are upright-are the cans on top of the cereal boxes?? The directions say to set one pudding box on each cereal box, with the narrow sides facing each other?? Next to the cans?? WHERE? HOW? HELP!!!

It's just not clicking in my brain. We would really like to do this project. Thank you for listening
Here are a few tips-

Cereal Box: Place the cereal box flat on the table with the largest side flat on the table.

Cans: Place one can toward the center of each cereal box

Pudding boxes: After cutting the flaps off of one end of the box, cut a slit down the center of both of the narrow sides of the box. The slit will go from the open end to the closed end of the box. Then squeeze the open end of the box together until the two sides touch each other. Tape the open end of the box. Now one end of the box is narrower than the other end.

Here is the MFW photo of the Roman Arch Bridge and Keystone:


I hope this helps.
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Roman arch with pudding boxes

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We made our arch this week and I was really worried it was not going to work well, especially since I don't have the patience to cover all the boxes with sandpaper.

I did decide; however, to have the kids paint the boxes with a matte paint. We used grey so they looked more like stones and also used a sponge to dab the paint on, which gave the boxes a bit of texture so they weren't slick. It worked great. The arch went together quite easily.

We used large books of equal size since I didn't have 2 boxes of cereal the same size. If I get a chance I will post a pict. Thanks MFW, we are really enjoying this school year.
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We are still trying to get ours to stand on its own. I like the paint idea. I wonder if the texture of the paint would help the boxes to stay put better.... hmmm.

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Roman Arch box sizes

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sewardmom wrote:For those who have built the Roman Arch with boxes, Will jello boxes work (they are slightly smaller than puddling boxes)? I am wondering if it is easier with larger boxes? If so, I can go with the pudding boxes.... (on sale now at Walgreens....)
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:36 pm
Author: dhudson

That's what I used!

Oh, I also found some awesome wooden block toys at our local learning toy store that were packaged to make your own roman arch. They were great! They are called, "Haba Roman Arch Building Block Set" and are also available at amazon.com

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:55 pm
Author: mamaofredheads

Terri, I think the key is that all the boxes have to be the same size...you can't use some small ones & some larger ones.

It's actually quite challenging to get it assemble. We used the small pudding boxes. That would seem easiest to me. Picture trying to hold each side up while you're putting the top in - smaller was better for us. :)

My boys LOVED this activity! We took it to our home school group for our History Fair & the kids there loved it too. Enjoy! RTR is a great year!!

I would definitely recommend the sandpaper. It helped them stay together much better. It also looked more authentic for the history fair.

We just had chocolate pudding Sat. from our "stash". I had to ask a friend how much milk to use because I didn't have any boxes for directions. :)

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:17 pm
Author: Q-father

We used all small except the 2 large it tell you at the bottom. We didn't do sand paper but i think it would "hold" together much better if you do.

Another idea I heard was to spread glue on the boxes then cover them in sand - just plain old sand. let it dry, the texture helps them hold together as you are stacking them!

There are lots of great hands on ideas in the Roman empire book for other activities too. My kids really enjoyed making an aqueduct out of cereal boxes and a paper towel roll!

We are still eating jello :) but it was fun!

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:18 pm
Author: DS4home

We used the jello boxes too. I left them in the living room to play with for a couple of weeks, so they made a few Roman arches. Sometimes they were standing up, but many were just laying down so they could see the arch coming together - but it didn't have to support itself. Very fun project!!

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Error in some editions - R to R and week 7: letter scheduled

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I am preparing for fall and we will be in R to R. I have the new edition. In the preparation section it lists that, beginning week 7, there will be a letter scheduled on Fridays. But it isn't in the weekly lessons plans/grid or notes. Should we be doing a letter, but it didn't get written in the plans? Or should we not schedule the letter, because it shouldn't have been mentioned in the preparation notes? Thanks!
Julie in MN wrote:Okay Lisa, you got me curious. I opened up my RTR manual from several years back. I saw the paragraph you've described and I saw... no letters on the grids.

Good catch! We started with ECC and CTG, and I guess we were just used to writing letters by the time we got to RTR and just kept on going. It's one of my ds's favorite things to read in his old notebooks -- the letters he wrote (and received) at different ages.

I suppose that somewhere along the way, Marie decided there was enough language arts in RTR and she took off the letters? There are more word roots and notebook pages and such.

But letters are good, too, if you like :o)
Thanks for the response...so I'm not just going crazy...

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The Roman Arch Worked!!!!

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I'm so excited! We did the Roman Arch project. I was skeptical, but...


I love it when a hands on project works. No glue, no sandpaper. And, I had to use those corrugated cardboard bricks rather than cereal boxes. By the time we were done, the bricks were 5 3/4 inches apart, rather than 6 1/2.

Postby TriciaMR » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:49 pm

Thanks for the compliments... We set it up several time since (once to prove to ourselves that it wasn't a fluke, once to show dad, etc).

We gave all of our pudding away to people at church - e-mailing the directions to them. DD has dairy allergy, so even though some of the flavors are diary free (we tried mixing with soy milk, it never set), they wouldn't work for us.

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Re: The Roman Arch Worked!!!!

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AWESOME! Your arch looks great!

Last school year we did our Roman Arch. I didn't want to buy 15 puddings, so we did the same type of activity, but we used stones and clay. Here is a link to my blog detailing what we did if anyone is interesed in an alternate activity:

http://myclassicalhomeschool.blogspot.c ... eek-6.html
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Roman Arch

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I would suggest that you do not substitute the recommended pudding box. I didn't want the artificial flavors and ingredients of the pudding (and I felt wasteful throwing them in the trash) so I purchased some pudding boxes from our health food store. The boxes were considerably longer and narrower. When we went to make the arch we didn't have enough boxes and I couldn't accurately estimate how many more to get-it looked like quite a few. I ended up running to the store for the original boxes and we will try again. $15 wasted but hopefully I can save someone else the trouble. :-)

P.S. We just made the arch today with the small pudding boxes and it went together on the first try without sandpaper! If I would have had trouble I would have stuck a few pieces of double stick tape between some of the boxes. The arch was exactly 6 1/2 inches wide as stated in the directions. I laid the arch out flat and assembled it first to measure and verify the width. Fun project!
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BRIDGES - book recommendation

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For the hands-on project loving students, Bridges! Amazing Structures to Design, Build and Test by Carol Johmann and Elizabeth J. Rieth is a really fun book.

Also, Built to Last by David Macaulay is a large book w/ full-page illustrations of historical castles, cathedrals, bridges and mosques, with brief paragraphs on each page telling how the giant structure was built and why (structurally) it's lasted so long. Very interesting book, and esp. great for those engineering minds. :)
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RtR Roman Arch

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We did the Roman Arch activity today and it turned out well after a couple attempts. We had to hold the pudding boxes in place and then scootch the cans(columns) slowly toward the center, then they held on their own. We did not put sandpaper on the boxes.

The coin bridge activity also was fun. We were surprised how many more "soldiers" the second bridge held.

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Re: RtR Roman Arch

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Ooh, we loved those activities, too. We did RtR last year. :-)

I was reminded of our Roman arch yesterday when I went to my cupboard to pull out a package of pudding. I had written on the package that it was cook and serve and that it was chocolate, but I had forgotten to write down any cooking instructions. At the time, I thought, "Oh, I'm sure I'll have another box of cook and serve pudding in my cupboard so I can get instructions off of it." But, no, I did not have another box in my cupboard...just several packages without boxes from when we made our Roman arch last year. :-)
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