In addition to Science changing in 7th...(with MFW student driven plans)
Math changes (with student driven plans)
and Progeny Press, Grammar books, and even Writing - all of that becomes "student driven"
Some experts out there say to read out loud for much longer than 6th grade to help them get ready to learn to take notes in college lectures...
I guess in my teaching experience it is more helpful to teach my children to process history and bible content in a mentoring relationship style of learning. I don't think that should stop in grade 6.
In terms of fostering independence... this is my experiences over the last decade. I don't know how much of it is MFW's thinking. and how much is just old crabby cranky crystal's way of doing it. (ooh... fun use of alliteration.. cr cr
I never saw anything in MFW's manual the same style as that other program you like where it says "your child should do this semi independently, and this should be together and blah blah blah" and if I did see that in MFW.. I'd ignore it anyway because my children need different stuff. If I used that other program you like, I'd ignore those notes on that too. Maybe some children can... but maybe that's a weak area for my child?
Instead... I saw it a lot like any other skill in their lives. When was it time to stop holding the spoon for them? When was it time to stop holding their hand in a parking lot? When was it time to stop worrying that she could drive to the middle of nowhere where her Bible study teacher lives on that dark road...? oh...you haven't gotten to that stage where they can drive alone at night have you? fostering independence.......back to academics
with my oldest - independence came in the form of drum roll please..
book basket in elementary
science experiments in elementary (set it up, tear it down,)
reading for fun on their own.
then... when I needed it.... "here honey..... I need to teach your sister some math... how about you read ahead for me in this book and be ready to talk with me on it..."
jr. high..... a little more...
here.. you read this book and then we'll get together for book discussion using Progeny Press guide
here.... read your Apologia science book.... and you be sure to tell me what to add on my grocery list for supplies....
here.... I got you this DIVE cd thing to help on the Saxon books if you get stuck....
here.... try to find out this information for me before you write your paper....
well... now it's time to say "here you go..... . we'll schedule time this evening to talk about that, but you come and whine to me through the day"
and before you know it.... they're studying independently for CLEP test and ACT exams, and the only thing you read out loud together anymore are the wacko comments on yahoo news...
and yes.. I'm very glad when my 16 y.o calls and says "I'm here safe." or "I'm leaving Miss Patty's house now..." or "I'm going to be later cuz we're stopping at Sonic for a drink."
With my middle gal?
book basket in elementary
life skills -- we're leaving for somewhere... here's a quick checklist can you get ready?
jr. high... here's this book... we'll have discussion group at 11 am..
here's an audio cd of the science book you are reading.... I'll stay near by for a few weeks..... Look, Mrs. Hazell made a list of what you are to read today and which experiment.... you follow that, ok?
here's your math book.... look.. Mrs. hazell made a list for you to know which problems to do. I'll be here for the warm up....
here's your list of art history and paint work.....
Here's your bible verse to copy and practice...
but, I'm in no rush now to hand off Bible and history too soon.
I guess to me, it doesn't have to be as mom driven as it might look. I have no problem with the grid being in front of my children and having them check off "I did it!".... I have no problem with some of the books in history being "you read it to me"... there are some that I want group teaching and mentoring opportunity.
oh well... no such thing as one fits all....
that's just how it's worked over here without anyone telling me "this is what you are supposed to do semi independently, or all on their own, or help them..." I watched my children and adjusted as they needed less help.... and even now... as my I watch my autistic child (age 10) working for her independence and telling me "I want to do it!" (referring to cooking sausage on the stove and getting baking sheets out of the oven all by her little self....)
I don't think that using MFW has held them back from growing up. but it's all in how one opts to use something, isn't it?
well... let me answer your questions from different take.
abrightmom wrote:How's independent learning fostered and when? Does MFW wait until high school for this? Am I wrong about the history and science reading?
No.. it doesn't begin in high school.
the biggest transition begins in 7th grade with
mfw lesson plans written to the student in Science and Math.
Also this same year, MFW changes their language arts to Progeny Press, and grammar, and keeps writing. Students are encouraged with parent input to develop their own pace for working in the PP guides in an independent fashion. (find out..do you need audio help? do you need discussion time on daily.weekly,etc basis)
Prior to that.....it's gradual and easy to miss
science - I think (maybe it was me on the board.. but I thought in one of the manuals????) 6th and 5th graders are encouraged to set up and clean up science experiments and of course be writing lab reports.
math - teach together then work in workbook
book basket has a huge goal of fostering independent learning on topics of interest.
Bible memory work and copywork are "independent skills" and go well in workbox kind of organization.
vocab flash cards
playing various games...
Even in MFW Preschool - I've heard David make the case that he began fostering independence in preschool by allowing the student to make some decisions "this toy or that toy?" and then parent picks the activity.
so... I think you have some misunderstandings on science. On History - MFW intentionally doesn't encourage too early independence from the main text in order for parents to help interpret and give any doctrine and stuff like that......
also... here are some of Lucy's older thread with some random thoughts about MFW's take on this stuff
http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php ... nce#p46135
http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php ... nce#p67164
http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php ... nce#p63925
might be others... but good enough to get MFW's take on it....
oh wait... there's this in the FAQ
- Each year of our multi-age family cycle for grades 2-8 is designed to meet the needs of both elementary and junior high level students. Your 7th and 8th graders experience higher educational challenges while remaining a part of family learning.
The 7th and 8th graders will continue to join the family teaching time for Bible, history, music, art, and read-alouds. As they are able, students transition from parent/teacher-taught lessons to parent/teacher-guided independent lessons in science, math, and language arts. This self-directed learning teaches independent study skills, preparing students for high school and college. To make this transition as easy as possible:
Science and math courses include daily lesson plans written to the students so they know which pages and which problems to do each day to complete the course in one school year.
Math courses also include step-by-step solutions for all textbook problems and tests, as well as an instructional CD for each lesson.
To help students learn long-term planning, we suggest the parent/teacher or the student make his own schedule for completing language arts workbooks. Building a schedule using the table of contents is one easy approach.
To complete your curriculum for 7th and 8th graders, add:
Progeny Press Study Guides – one each semester
All-in-One English Series followed the next year by Applications of Grammar
Spelling Power (if needed)