Placement - What if you've already studied the ancients?

gratitude
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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by gratitude » Sat May 21, 2016 12:21 pm

Poohbee wrote:Hello gratitude!
It just seems that it would work quite well for you to do EX1850, then 1850MOD, and as you mentioned, when your oldest starts high school, cycle back to CTG and RTR for your younger two, and then maybe you could do ECC again with your third for 8th, since it will have been a number of years since that child has done that year. That would be my personal recommendation for you. For science, if it turns out that you really want to do the astronomy or the human body from RTR, it would not be hard to sub out science from EX1850, in which half of the year is spent on animals and half is spent on Botany. My middle dd and I loved the Botany study, so if you haven't done that, I highly recommend that. If, perhaps, your kids have learned quite a bit about animals, you could easily insert the astronomy study or the human body study instead, as each is done for half of the year in RTR. Just another idea for you.

In regards to Progeny Press guides, Julie MN has posted on some thread how she did it with her youngest son, and that was very helpful to me. I followed her pattern. She, and we, did a PP guide 1st quarter, focused on grammar with those resources 2nd quarter, a PP guide again 3rd quarter, and finally, grammar again 4th quarter. Now, with the new writing and grammar resources, that might be different now, but it definitely works well to do a PP guide during a quarter (roughly 9 weeks) of the school year. You do that twice, and that is great. The other quarters, let your student enjoy free reading.

Since I haven't used WWS yet, and I have older TMs, I can't answer your question as to whether WWS replaces Writing Strands on the grid. Hopefully someone else will chime in about that.

Well, if you've read all of this, I'm amazed! I can get pretty wordy. Sorry about that! I hope I've helped a bit, but ultimately, the decision about where to start in the cycle will really come down to what do you want your kids to study, what do they want to study, and what do you feel will be best for all 3 kids involved and best for you, as the teacher. You really can't go wrong, because you'll cover much of it at some point, and there will always be gaps in our learning. We can't teach them all there is to learn. However, it sounds as though your oldest, especially, is a voracious reader, so that will serve him well, and he'll fill in any gaps on His own.

Just keep praying, and the Lord will guide you! I will join you in prayer! God is so faithful! He'll show you just the right path for you and for your kids.
In Christ,
Jen
Thank you Jen for all of the information that you typed out! Yes, I did read all of it. I was going to quote all of it, but I decided to shorten it a little.

I do own Apologia General. It is helpful to know that the Human Body is at the end of the book. My interest in RTR was that none of them have had human body. For my oldest it would be an easy solution with Apologia General. When he finishes his Fossils / Evolution next March he could do the last part of Apologia General for the human body for spring (we go until the 3rd week of June). This could be a good lead into Physical as well for 8th. Thank you!

Thank you for the Progeny Press suggestions as well. Do you, or someone else, suggest buying guides for books they haven't read or does it not matter if they have already read it? I love the Bronze Bow and my oldest read it last year. It would be fun to do a guide on it, but if it is better to do a pick that is something new I sometimes need to be reminded of that fact. ;)

Thank you for your thoughts on the history. There is something about the idea of my middle two doing CTG and RTR while my oldest does AHL and WHL that really appeals to me. He has been asking for modern history for a year, thus I am hesitant to hold it off until 12th.

Thank you as well for the prayers! :)

In Christ,
Carin

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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sun May 22, 2016 6:51 am

gratitude wrote: My understanding was that WHL goes much deeper into the material as the third sweep through the NT and that part of history. It would be interesting to know from someone who has used both if they see WHL taking the information to the deeper level and thus making RTR unnecessary for now. The first half of WHL looks similar to RTR.

I was thinking more in the Exp1850 to 1850Mod since the world history in both I thought was different then the world history in Highschool. Whereas, the USA portions are USA only in High school. Perhaps someone who has used both can help me understanding that portion.
I did think almost everything was more extensive in high school. For instance, the complete New Testament rather than chunks in RTR, or extensive church history (especially if you use the now-optional church history book), rather than primarily the Reformation in RTR.

World history isnt the focus in US1 and US2, but it is inevitably there when our US history intersects with the world, and of course there's a year of world history in WHL.

The biggest difference to me is that in the family cycle, you get to sit a while in specific areas, like the feasts, maybe try painting upside-down like Michaelangelo, and stop to read about each president. Things go by very quickly in high school.
gratitude wrote: Thank you Julie. I was hoping you would chime in. This was helpful information on some of the differences between Highschool and the family cycle.

Do you have any thoughts on where it would work well to start with a 7th grader who has done ECC, but has not done any of the cycle with MFW? I am wanting to have one main curriculum for 7th - 12th to help keep us on track.
Normally MFW would suggest that with younger siblings, it may be best to just begin history in order, possibly skipping CTG if everyone has Biblical history down solid. Travelbug seems to understand the materials youve used, and i agree there is some important stuff in RTR. It's okay for oldest to have a slightly lighter year of history during middle school, while other things are ramping up (science, grammar, math, etc) or to have a little wiggle room to do some middle school things like shop and home ec.

However, knowing how advanced your oldest is, i suspect you may be happiest with EX1850-1850MOD, like Jen mentioned. If kids have a good memory of the state sheets from Adventures, then you could just do more reading/writing about the presidents.
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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by gratitude » Sun May 22, 2016 10:10 pm

Julie in MN wrote:
gratitude wrote: Do you have any thoughts on where it would work well to start with a 7th grader who has done ECC, but has not done any of the cycle with MFW? )
Normally MFW would suggest that with younger siblings, it may be best to just begin history in order, possibly skipping CTG if everyone has Biblical history down solid. Travelbug seems to understand the materials youve used, and i agree there is some important stuff in RTR. It's okay for oldest to have a slightly lighter year of history during middle school, while other things are ramping up (science, grammar, math, etc) or to have a little wiggle room to do some middle school things like shop and home ec.

However, knowing how advanced your oldest is, i suspect you may be happiest with EX1850-1850MOD, like Jen mentioned. If kids have a good memory of the state sheets from Adventures, then you could just do more reading/writing about the presidents.
Thank you Julie. It gives me more to think about, but it also helps give me some more information to think about.

It helps to know what MFW would normally suggest. I have wondered that. With my second son going into 5th starting him into CTG would make so much sense. I think he and his younger sister would love the Dr. Wiles science. My main goal for my oldest next year is actually to increase that writing and get him going on some things like WWS and Progeny Press I think could be very useful for him. I see where he is and what is expected in 9th and it feels like a large gulf to cross over in the areas of writing, work load, and increased thinking. In reading and math he will be fine.

Bible education has been one of our primary goals in home schooling. On the thoughts of starting with CTG it has been those of the fact that what is most important to us in their education is the focus in CTG and RTR. We have done quite a bit with the OT and NT with them as a family and in a variety of ways that started quite young. However, as I always tell them they could read the Bible over and over everyday of their lives and they will still have much to learn in it about who God is, what He has been up to in history, and to have their time in Scripture draw them ever closer to Him.

Thank you Julie for some more to think about. I think I will go through the table of contents and pray of where the LORD would lead us.

Thank you! :)

P.S. Would skipping Exp1850 and 1850 to Modern cause any problems, or would it be just fine?

I am wishing when I had done ECC I had just kept going and we would be on target! :) My third was struggling with some of the content in ECC so I was concerned about trying history for her so I did ADV for her and my second son instead. It has actually been one of my concerns of starting American History. At 9 1/2 she still doesn't like hearing much about history and it is hard to imagine her diving into Modern at 10 1/2. She loves missionary stories (gentle ones at this age) and Bible translation, but not much history so far other then Bible.

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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sun May 22, 2016 10:30 pm

gratitude wrote:
P.S. Would skipping Exp1850 and 1850 to Modern cause any problems, or would it be just fine? .
One of the valuable skills worked on in 1850MOD is outlining history. It's just good prep for organizing thoughts and supporting arguments. However, now that MFW has added Writing With Skill to its recommendations for 7-8th, it is a nonissue since students will build that skill either way.

Other than that, most of the big points i remember from years 4-5 are repeated later, albeit at a faster pace in high school - things like understanding that different US colonies were established by very different groups if people (pilgrims, entrepreneurs, even prisoners).
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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by gratitude » Sun May 22, 2016 11:15 pm

Thank you Julie! Very Helpful! :-)

I was just looking at the CTG table of contents and remembering how much I loved MFW's Biblical focus. It is much different then the Creation to Christ program that he did. It is covering in one year the first 2/3 of the other. The rest being in RTR.

They do know the Bible history in CTG, but her integration with other cultures would be new for my middle two. We did the first 1/2 of Journey Through the Bible with the Scriptures at some point, but without notebooking.

Thanks!

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Re: Questions about the Cycle CTG thru Modern?

Unread post by Julie in MN » Mon May 23, 2016 9:11 pm

Glad things are starting to clarify.

I couldnt agree more with what you said here. When i look back, this was most important.
gratitude wrote: Bible education has been one of our primary goals in home schooling. On the thoughts of starting with CTG it has been those of the fact that what is most important to us in their education is the focus in CTG and RTR. We have done quite a bit with the OT and NT with them as a family and in a variety of ways that started quite young. However, as I always tell them they could read the Bible over and over everyday of their lives and they will still have much to learn
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Alexandra (29) mother; hs from 10th grade (2002)
Travis (32) engineer; never hs

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