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Special Needs - Teaching & resources for specific needs

Unread post by cbollin » Wed May 09, 2007 5:17 pm

Teaching students with auditory processing delay/disorder
Heidi wrote:I have read HSLDA's "How to Know Why Your Child is Struggling" - and it helped me to get my daughter correctly diagnosed with auditory processing delay or disorder (depending on who you are talking to). I have also read on the web about it. And re-read all my old issues of FRUA about it.

I get the "symptoms" and even some of the "helps."

But, I thought I would ask in here too. I need a layman's definition of what is happening, or really what is not happening that ought to be.

Any body else's child struggling with this? What have you done or adapted that helps?
I'll try.

Basically your brain works very hard to figure out the meanings of key words along the way. While it is working longer to figure it out, things take longer to talk about or you just get it wrong. your ears hear it, but it gets slowed down while the brain tries to figure it out.


Sometimes it is diagnosed with ADHD. Sometimes not. Sometimes ADHD gets placed on the person when it is just an APD. Symptoms overlap in some degrees --- such as day dreaming and easy distractions.

Comes in many forms and symptoms vary.
it can be as simple as not hearing the right words frequently. (couch might be heard as cow)

it can be from not understanding the word completely:
Where is the county fair? might get answered "it is in July" The person did not process Where correctly.

Background noise becomes overwhelming. With APD you just want to shut out the noise because you can't hear the person 3 feet in front of you -- but no one else in the room is really bothered by the volume.
It is like having bad feedback loop going through a sound system. It builds and builds and you can't escape because it is in your head and ears . So you shut down in crowded situations.


What to do? you're on the right track. Research around on the web, talk to the speech therapist. Ask if some co-treats with an occupational therapist might be in order. A lot of APD'ers have some underlying sensory integration issues as well. I think with all of the ADHD things you've done with all of your kids, you're better prepared than you realize.

--crystal
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Unread post by cbollin » Wed May 09, 2007 6:16 pm

I know how to describe it...

APD is like always having a really bad cell phone connection. You're always getting dead zones, dropped calls, a moment of a missing word or two --- but the person on the other end doesn't know that you aren't there.

and the static doesn't want to go away when you are in a crowd!!!

Can you hear me now? becomes --- I know you heard me, why aren't you answering. (edit to add: in other words, the person on the other end doesn't even know that things like dead zones, and dropped calls exist)


Or it's like this: mary calls you at home while you're out of the house. Your dh takes the message, but forgets to give it to you until supper time. So -- it may seem like a really slow response to mary when you finally call back the next day. You hear the words --- but later than you would like to and then you can't get to the phone because it is supper time.


--crystal
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Unread post by MJ in IL » Thu May 10, 2007 8:36 am

Those are great analogies Crystal! Auditory processing was just becoming more in the forefront of SLP when I left my "career" outside the home for my "career" at home. I wish I had more experience in that area!

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Unread post by Mama2boys » Thu May 10, 2007 3:47 pm

Heidi,

I have been e-mailing back and forth with Dianne Craft and plan to purchase the Brain Integration therapy manuel at the FPEA convention. We have spent 7 years working with sons who have pretty significant Auditory and Visual Processing delays.

We tried a year of speech therapy w/ very little progress. (2x per week) Switched to Neurodevelopmental Therapy (also known as NDT) which is very similar to BIT (Brain Integration therapy/Dianne Craft) and had much success, but it was VERY time consuming and we went from getting to have FUN with our curriculum to ONLY doing program.

BIT is based on the research by the same doctors as NDT, but she streamlines it so you can do it in less than 30mins a day.

Three of my four sons have both Auditory and Visual processing Delays. It means that their ears "hear" what you're saying just fine but their brains don't process it properly.

The science shows that the pathways in the brain are disorganized and so the words go in and get lost or go to the wrong place. BIT and NDT give you daily exercises to help organize the brain so that when they "hear," it goes to where it should.

I have heard AMAZING results! Maybe I'll see ya at the booth?! (smile)

Here is Dianne's website and you can e-mail her. http://www.diannecraft.org/

Crystal,
In all the years we've dealt with this issue and spoke to specialist and laymen alike, THIS is the BEST description yet!

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great analogy

Unread post by Heidi » Fri May 11, 2007 7:52 am

Crystal,

Your analogy really helps me grasp what my daughter is going through. Honestly, I am pretty sure I have this disorder too - to a lesser degree.

It will help me "see" her and better choose methods to help.

Her therapist says her therapy incorporates sensory integration - though I am now going to ask about getting her into OT also. I do not think they will - she has excellent fine motor skills.

Mama2boys - I am hoping to get BIT also, and take a really good look at her specialty flash cards and hopefully she will have examples of those vocabulary cartoons she talks about in the article she wrote I mentioned above.

I am curious, how does visual processing part of this look?
Heidi
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Homeschooling since Fall 2004
Child 1: Blue LLATL/MFW 1, Adventures, ECC
Chld 2: MFW-K, MFW-1+ joined Adv, ECC
Child 3: MFW-PK, MFW-K + joined ECC

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Re: great analogy

Unread post by Mama2boys » Fri May 11, 2007 8:12 am

Heidi,
You know the visual processing was difficult to catch. I don't think I would have known this had I not done an eval w/ my Neurodevelopmental therapist.

It works a lot like Auditory. Your child sees just fine, but his brain is not processing what he is seeing.

Both BIT and NDT do lots of eye exercises to help this issue. It's getting the eye and ear to connect with an organized brain. HTH? Mary (warm smile)

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Helping a struggling learner

Unread post by bachmayer » Fri May 11, 2007 11:32 pm

Hi, I am new here, considering MFW for next year. I have a daughter that has struggled with learning for years. She was unable to sound out even the most basic words at age 10. The only diagnosis I ever received was very low IQ, borderling MR.

I contacted HSLD and they hooked me up with Dianne Craft. She is the only professional that ever gave me hope for my daughter. I then was able to attend one of her seminars. To make a long story short, after only a month of following her ideas in the Brain Integration Therapy Manual, my daughter is sounding out words. Dianne gave me hope for my daughter again. She is worth joining HSLD just to be able to have her consultation. Thanks for listening, Susan

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Unread post by Toni@homezcool4us » Sat May 12, 2007 7:52 am

Wow. I never considered that I had (or developed) some type of APD when I began to have seizures. This is one of the main symptoms I complained of prior to being diagnosed with complex partial seizures; hearing what someone was saying to me, but needing time to process what their words meant.
Blessings!
A proud adoptive mom of 4 children,
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Special Needs Fund

Unread post by LSH in MS » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:38 pm

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:43 pm

HSLDA's Homeschool Foundation has a Widows Fund and a Special Needs Children Fund. You can go to their website for an application. http://www.homeschoolfoundation.org

We as homeschoolers can also go to that site and give donations to help fellow homeschoolers in need.
Lori

wife to Clifford, mother to ds (17), ds (16), ds (15, ds (13), ds (8), and ds (3)
MFW user for 10 years

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Asperger's

Unread post by mgardenh » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:06 pm

TracyLee01026 wrote:Thank you for sharing that your dd has Aspergers. My son was not diagnosed until age 11. He isn't too thrilled about schoolwork, as it just takes him away from his coins. He gets easily frustrated and cries. I think much of it really doesn't make sense to him, because none of it is integrated around a central theme, and so I am looking at MFW.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:41 am

Dinosaurs are an interest. Anything and everything reverts back to dinosaurs. I'm sure you can relate to that.

What I've done to get her into school is to use her thing. I incorporate dinosaurs into her school. Particularly when she doesn't want to do it. I have her dinosaurs listen to the read alouds or she has to read to them, spell, teach them math.

Could you use the coins for math? How many coins do you have? If you have 9 coins and lose 3, how many would you have? Do not know if it will work for you. Our family therapist said to use her "thing" to help do what ever it is that needs to be done. Often a dinosaur will help her set the table.

God has blessed us by using MFW. She now likes school but won't admit it. But she will tell you that Math is her favorite subject and she likes the "blue" book (language arts book).

Call the MFW home office. I understand they are very helpful and can give you some ideas of what program(s) they have would be best for your situation.

cbollin

Will MFW help with reading comprehension & other reading pro

Unread post by cbollin » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:05 am

buckhome wrote:So my daughter took a Terra Nova test last April and we just got the results. It is mandatory that she take these. I know I shouldn't put too much stake into it...but I am kind of concerned. She lacks in reading comprehension

I have noticed recently too that she has trouble facing her letter "f"'s the right way. She sometimes says the word "five" or "four" like "thive" and "thor". Not always, but sometimes. I just keep correcting her, hoping this will get better.

Does anyone else have this problem or a suggestion? My daughter loves to read. She just has trouble sometimes answering questions. I have often asked her to tell me back what she read. She usually just gives me a summary. It's not what I want all the time, but I know she is getting some of it.

Ok, all of that to say...if she is struggling in reading, do you think MFW (ECC specifically) will help her improve at all? Sorry this is so longwinded. I just feel sad about it all.
Posted: June 2008

I don’t know much about the test you mentioned. It’s possible that she just didn’t know how to take a test and got thrown off or something. Next year, she’ll be more used to taking tests and you’ll have time to prepare again with test prep.

But if you think the tests reflects her abilities and want to work on improving skills, that’s a good thing.

If I understood correctly, your child is about 9 and going into 4th grade. I think you might want to have her evaluated by a speech/language pathologist at least for the speech issues. By her age, most children have developed those sounds regularly with the F and th thing. We all get tongue tied once in a while, but if that is a regular thing you are hearing – then it’s time to get some outside help. A lot of speech exercises can be done at home, but it can be nice to have the help to get started and to have someone else’s opinion and help on getting goals for improvement. So check with your pediatrician for some referrals for a speech and hearing evaluation.

I would also look into a developmental vision evaluation. You never know.

I’ve used MFW’s programs and language arts recommendations while working with my middle daughter (now age 9) and her language processing problems and getting outside language therapies too.

I use some Skill Building grade level guides for reading comprehension. I use Rainbow Bridge Publishing for that. cheap, easy to use. not overwhelming to the day. little by little stuff. You might need to start back a grade level in 3rd grade stuff too.

I know my middle daughter understands a lot better when she was the one reading and saying it out loud or at least had the book in front of her while I was reading.

When we use practice tests and/or skill building guide books: I work with her instead of just giving the book or practice test to her. That way I can see and hear why she is missing a problem. Then I know what really needs to be taught.

For example --- we hadn't necessarily dealt with the terms "cause and effect." But when I rephrased it and said "why did that part happen?" It was clear that she understood the sequence of events and why it happened, but was tripped up by the vocabulary of the test. We practiced out loud some other similar things with cause and effect and defined the words. Then she got it. Her speech therapist found that was the same kind of thing. If she didn't know the testing vocabulary, she couldn't get the problem.

So, as you do test prep and books like you got from bookstore, do them with her and help her as much as possible to connect the dots on each problem. It's not cheating because you're not really giving a test. It's just a way to help you know what she is missing and how to help her learn how to learn that information.

I probably confused you in that. Feel free to ask for clarification. :)
-crystal

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Resources for homeschooling a blind child?

Unread post by Julie - Staff » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:51 am

Heidi07 wrote:This will be my first year home schooling and mfw looks great for our family. I have a one child entering the 6th grade this year, who is totally blind. Does anyone have suggestions, contacts, or resources to point to that keep the cost involved down for parents of the children who are vision impaired so as to enable homeschooling.
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:30 am
Author: Julie in MN


Does your state have a school for the blind? That would be a good resource for figuring out where to get your needs met. They also may have a library you could use - by mail, if necessary. Also, I wonder if the Lions Club would be another resource?
Julie

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:38 am
Author: crystal


You could contact HSLDA as well (Home School Legal Defense Association). They have scholarships for special needs homeschooling to help meet the needs of equipment and other things. http://www.hslda.org

Also, NATHHAN http://nathhan.com/ might have some additional ideas for financial assistance for some of it.

Apologia Sciences has some of their textbooks on CD and they use to say that they'd waive the fees for that for special needs families.
-crystal

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:13 pm
Author: mgardenh


Most states have a disability waver. Have you applied for that? I know poeple who use it even to build things in their home to accommodate the special needs. My sister-in-law is blind and she gets priority with the waver. Go online and look up the state disability office and find one in your county. In our state the waiting list is 5 years but I know it is worth it.

Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:47 pm
Author: Willow


One other thing that comes to mind -- I don't know if Lighthouse for the Blind could help you with any resources, but here is their website:
http://www.seattlelighthouse.org/

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:35 am
Author: Lucy Robertson, board moderator


Hi Heidi,

Welcome to MFW!

If you have not already called the office we would love to talk with you about ways that we are able to assist you with vision impairment. We do have a few vision impaired customers.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Lucy

cbollin

Need tips for schooling little boy with some ADD/ADHD type b

Unread post by cbollin » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:04 am

shawnswife wrote:wondering if any of you out there know any techniques for schooling and disciplining very active boys. We started K and ADV a couple of weeks ago and things aren't going so well. He just can't seem to stay quiet and won't leave his 2yo little brother alone so I'm constantly being interrupted to deal with that. I know if he has ADD, it's not necessarily disobedience on his part, but that he truly can't control himself at times. I'm just all mixed up about how to handle him.
Posted Sat Aug 02, 2008
Many techniques to use with people who do have ADHD can work with others who are just active or otherwise don't have fully mature nervous systems. At 6 years old it can be hard to tell the difference. However, if it keeps going on as they get older, you should consider getting a diagnosis from a professional who is in line with your ideas and philosophies of holding off chemical based meds until other techniques and bio-med interventions have been tried. If that way of treatment is something you don't want, then you want to work with professionals who will support it. You might or might not need meds or diet changes or vitamin therapies..... But I digresss.

There are lots of little things that can be done and I look forward to reading those from people over here. I wanted to mention one resource from another place as well.

One of the best homeschooling resources out there is a company called HeadsUpNow dot com
Mrs. Boring sells various books and workshops and gadgets that can help teaching the distractible learner whether ADHD or just active and distracted.

Look for her book:
Heads Up Helping! (paper and in e-book)

or her workshop
Helping the Distractible Child, Part 1—Birth through Primary Grades
Part 2—Late Elementary and Onward

all of that can be ordered from Melinda's site
headsupnow dot com
Or you can even find some of her workshops on some of these recording companies that record homeschool conventions.

****
I have a very distractible 6 y.o who has to have a lot of jumping time and very short lessons. And then she is allowed to go somewhere else and play while I work with her sisters. But during that time when no one can play with her, we lock some of the doors to the bathroom with the tub otherwise we've have a flooded house :) So in any case, many ((Hugs)) as you work with your kids :)

-crystal

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Re: ADD/ADHD

Unread post by Mommyto2 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:48 am

Posted Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:10 am
I send a prayer out to you. I do have one 9y.o. with ADD and one very active 6 y.o.

I would like to suggest that some children do very well with a schedule. Six might be a little young to understand time but when we have a strict schedule and it works a lot better. When we don't have a schedule, we have chaos. When he was younger we had to take more breaks. We do some nonseat work jumping on the mini tramp.

Last year with my then 5 y.o. when she started acting up and distracting older brother, she got to go to her room and play toys for 30 minutes. Her room was a safe area and didn't have things in it she could really get in trouble with (much).

I wish you luck and wisdom as you try to figure out if you ds is just busy or has a possible diagnosis. We have been down that very long road of what to do. We did choose to medicate as we discovered his ADD was severe enough to cause problems and he is much happier with meds as a helper. However we also discovered many things that trigger it to get worse so we are able to keep his meds at a very low level by watching his diet and health. Each child is different.

One day he went from normal, happy to crazy, wild within 10 minutes right before our eyes. It was the most dramatic change we had ever seen. We now know this child can't have anything with red dye 40 or yellow dye 5. (Which by the way is in almost everything packaged for kids.)

My 6 y.o. is much calmer when she has at least 3 glasses of whole milk every day. Why does that make a difference? I don't know but it does. So I wish you luck as you lovingly support your son and find the best solution for a happy, healthy and rich learning environment in your home.

Brenda

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Re: ADD/ADHD

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:22 pm

Posted Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:24 pm
Hi Jennifer,
* I agree with Brenda that a schedule can help active boys see "the light at the end of the tunnel."

* I allow my son to be active as long as it's not disruptive (disruptive would include any noise or interaction with the cat or his little nephew). I will test him occasionally by saying, "What did I just say?" He is usually right on target. He likes to roll on that giant ball that Kelly told me about. He likes to wrap himself up like a mummy. He's 12, sheesh!

* Almost six is still young in my book. I know you need to keep him occupied during your "school time" but maybe go slow on the pencil work?

* And of course, you know I love the archives :o) Something about how they are full of things posted right at the moment that different people were experiencing something, so all the advice is tried-and-true as well as fresh in the mind.

Hopefully these are not ones you've already read. Maybe some of these ideas for wiggly kids could be led by your older child, too?

Busy/kinesthetic boys (and girls) http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=3506
Incorporating drama http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=3833
Making seatwork FUN!!! http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=2486
Reluctant Learner http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=413
Children who resist handwriting & coloring http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=2699
Do all children like school? http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=3909
Help with attitudes http://board.mfwbooks.com/viewtopic.php?t=871

Whew, maybe that was overkill :o)
Julie

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Re: ADD/ADHD

Unread post by sandi » Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:31 pm

Posted Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:22 am
Hi There,
I have a very very active 7yr. old little girl! She is such a wonderful blessing. She reminds me of the verse "Bright eyes makes the heart glad!". With all that said, she is very busy all the time unless she is asleep. This school year so far has been juggling to keep her occupied and interested in her school without tears! I too am looking for any ideas that other might have.

I have found that short lessons work. Playing with something like playdough works as I read to all my children. I have to make sure her time is scheduled out. I have to move her along to her next activity. Some of those might include computer time, playdough, color, short lesson with mom, run outside and jump on the trampoline three times before you read the next row of words. I know it sounds crazy, but it has worked so far. If I don't keep her occupied she is constantly making huge messes. She is also an obedient child, just full of energy!

Maybe we will get lots of neat ideas!

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Re: ADD/ADHD

Unread post by TriciaMR » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:44 pm

Posted Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:52 pm

I have a very active dd. When we were doing K (with a different program), I would let her swing while she read the blends off the flash cards. Every 5 she got right, she jumped off her swing, ran around the yard, and then back to the swing. On cold winter days, she did some while jumping on the mini tramp in the basement the same way. She is the oldest, and over time she has learned to focus more. I use the timer a lot - set it for 10 minutes and say, "Let's see how much we can get done in these 10 minutes." Or, if I need to be with my boys, "See if you can work quietly on this for 15 minutes." My boys are active, but definitely not like dd in the "I need to be moving to learn" department. Now, at 8, it's not so hard for her.

-Trish

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Special needs therapy - is there time to homeschool?

Unread post by mgardenh » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:39 am

my3boys wrote:My 6yo ds requires occupational and behavioral therapy. We don't have a lot of services here and I will probably have to tap into resources from the school system. A fellow homeschooler referred me to a neurodevelopmental psychologist who will train parents to work with their children at home and we are considering it. The few local people that I have called to inquire about services made it known that they thought he should be in school - I live in an small isolated area. I like that the nd people support homeschooling.

The nd program takes up so much time that it is difficult to keep up with homeschooling a family in addition.
Alison
We have had occupational, speach, family therepy and all of them have asked us to do stuff, and shown us to do stuff with our dc. Some of the things you have to do every day. We didn't do what you talked about but maybe something inbetween.

The way I see it if you have to take time to go some where to do it or even have to have someone come to your home or you do it at home yourself you still have to take the time to do it either way.

Take baby steps and add things into your routine every day. Write it out and it won't be easy but "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Philippians 4:13.
Mike
DH to Laurel
SAHD (mostly) to
Julia - 10 years old, Explorations to 1850
Alexis-7 years old, Explorations to1850 see her story at
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/alexisg
Have used MFW, k, 1st, Adventures, and ECC, CTG, RtR

cbollin

Re: Special needs therapy

Unread post by cbollin » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:07 am

Those were the same things that I came across when looking for a route to take. Had a hard time sorting it out too. But the time commitment just did not seem realistic for me. We do Speech and Occupational therapies too.

Every time I thought seriously about trying ND approach with the Christian ND people, the Lord led me away from doing it for reasons that I don’t know. He continued to close the door on it, so it wasn’t what He wanted my family to do. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing, just wasn’t where he wanted us.

It is possible that someone knows if there is a similar method that is less time intensive with similar results. There are lots of things out there and some are easier to do than others and many have similar results. Perhaps it would be helpful to hear from one of the more recognized names in ND, Linda Kane. You could go to bestchristianconferences dot com, and put her name in the speaker search box and get some of her convention workshops on MP3 download.

-crystal

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Re: Special needs therapy

Unread post by donnagio » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:11 pm

You can probably work with the therapists who can give you a home program. They can give you an idea of what is needed. Carryover at home is so important anyway. Many activities, especially in OT, are things that can be done or adapted in the home. Would just have a focus for the therapy, things you will be looking for in your child's position, actions, response and so forth. They can show you what to do and monitor progress and provide therapy during sessions.

For example, I just attended a conference on using visual strategies to help children communicate. There was a video of a mom who used pictures to help her son understand and communicate and prepare for transitions and so on . But she was just so wonderful. She knew what her son needed and was the key in his success. ( SHe took him to church too!) It can be difficult if the therapists and system do not understand homeschooling. I think it can be done though. And they can provide support too. Will pray for you...

I am an OT and work in a preschool. I am still learning and only work one day a week so I can homeschool ( My son is 12, and his 19 yr old sister teaches him when I work)! Wish I had more experience in pediatrics! The children I see only get OT once a week too-I work with another therapist and a supervisor, and have a Masters degree, so do not worry(: Maybe there is a need for OTs who understand homeschooling! You have been helpful to me on this board, because of your sharing. I am definitely an advocate of parents, and often think these little ones in the preschool should be home!
Donna
Steve's wife
Our children-
F(da 1984)graduated ps,in grad school
M (son 86)graduated ps,working
L(da 1989)graduated homeschool,engaged
and J( son 1996)currently homeschooling
Teaching and Learning CtG- 2nd year with MFW

cbollin

Re: Special needs therapy

Unread post by cbollin » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:29 am

Alison,
Been thinking about your post for a day or so.

Short term memory (auditory processing) and visual processing:
I would look into Dianne Craft’s website for starters. Her book, Brain Integration Therapy is less expensive than having an ND consultant and doing all of their stuff. Less time consuming and fairly easy to do at home. She is also on HSLDA’s special needs staff. Even though you are in Canada, is it possible that HSLDA might have some kind of consultant list in your area? I don’t know.

Also, you might consider looking into some of the books and resources on HeadsUpNow dot com. That company has lots of books and gadgets to help with many things. All are good for home based stuff. Once you get some idea how to work with the differences you can do all things of things at home.

Handwriting and stuff:
Some people love Handwriting without Tears It is usable in home setting. Developed by an occupational therapist. I like that I see ideas in the parent’s book with HWT that seem to compliment the same kinds of things that Dianne Craft recommends doing.

behavioral strategies
one other site just popped in my head with mood, bipolar, add, depression, etc..
http://www.christianadhd.com/

I know that around here the therapists realize that they can only do so much during a once a week session and that the kids who do really well have parents who work at home with them no matter where they get their schooling done.
-crystal

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Testing for LD

Unread post by Julie - Staff » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:47 am

momma2kact wrote:I am asking this for a friend of a friend (so I don't know much about the issue at hand). The child in question is 9 y.o. and has trouble reading. The parents are wanting to know "what" kind of testing is available and "where" to get it?
Debbie
Posted by TriciaMR » Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:22 pm
One place I have heard of is called Learning Rx. They are independent of schools and such.
-Trish

Posted by mgardenh » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:28 pm
There are private diagnosticians. I would start with asking the pediatrician for some names. Then call places that do speech therapy or occupational therapy and ask them for places to take the child. They might say they can do it. You can probably look them up in the phone book. Most states have an early intervention program. You can call them and they can connect you. Sometimes a child psychologist can do diagnoses.

Posted by donnagio » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:39 pm
I agree with other suggestions -all good.

Also, just for info, a book (Bliss Hollow)about Splish,a frog who has not learned to read yet on the The Old Schoolhouse website you might want to check out. It is about a homeschooled frog though(:

I am an OT but have just started working in Preschool. Having the child evaluated could pinpoint what the problems might be, what would be causing his problems with reading. There could be many reasons, not always obvious, and not always clear which affect him. Sometimes it is just maturity, sometimes it is sensory processing issues, learning disability, and so on . So all the suggestions given are a good place to start. Different professions will see from different perspectives so it is important to get the different angles. Hope the answers are found. The Lord is of course the one with all the answers, and is the answer Himself(: I find that a comforting thought when I do not know the answer! Donna

Posted by cbollin » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:53 am
I would suggest they start with asking their child's pediatrician for some private referrals.

Then, I would suggest the parents ask around to other parents in the school and churches for places in your town that do private tutoring. I would even consider the old fashioned approach of looking in the yellow pages of your local phone books under Schools and see if there is a private school near you that specializes in reading, or one of those chain places that does tutoring. I would even check at your local library to see if they know of any tutors. I see some regular study groups in our library. Maybe your town does the same.

Another out of the box suggestion is to have the parents get the child's developmental vision checked. Not just having eye glasses check. Have them look on visiontherapy dot org
to learn a bit more about it. Sometimes we forget to rule out the physically obvious things. So encourage to not forget to do that. Many people don't know about the idea of vision therapy and how it affects reading.

Also, the phrase "has trouble reading" can mean so many things with different answers. If it is just comprehension issues while reading, then there are different answers of how to approach that to teach him how to read with meaning. If it is the case of he can't read at all, then it is going to be more details of an answer. I get a catalog from a company called
rempub.com
that has lots of products to help with some of this. Not really using much from them. The catalog just shows up. But it might help the parents to know that there are companies out there that sell products to help with reading skills. As they look over the catalog, it might help them have the right kinds of questions to be able to ask to the local professionals to get the right kind of help.

Sometimes it takes a good tutor to start trying to teach one on one to see what the problems are and then that person can be the one to find the right expert to diagnose the underlying issues of the symptoms.

That's the route I went. I knew my middle child couldn't talk or understand us. We got a speech/language therapist working with her. That person ended up referring us to a few places to get a full work up while continuing to treat. Never did find out the reason with her.
-crystal

Posted by mamaofredheads » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:47 am
Your friend also might want to watch the video presentation on dys-add dot com. They might be dealing with dyslexia (many dyslexic kids have add/adhd as well). This video is excellent and might help them narrow down what the problem might be.

Posted Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:15 am by mamaofredheads
I would highly recommend watching the on-line seminar at www dot dys-add dot com. I believe it will answer your questions. :) She is also available for free consultations by phone or e-mail, even if you don't use her program. We do use her program and are seeing great success. You are very blessed to see these things now & recognize that it might be dyslexia!

There is also a yahoo group called Heart of Reading that you might be interested in.
Glenna

Posted Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:50 pm by my3boys
If you can find a good pediatric psychologist that does psycho-educational testing that is usually the first step to a diagnosis (we were refered to one by our pediatrician, but we had to ask specifically). After the psycho-ed testing they will probably make a soft diagnosis and give you a list of recommendations. Some of the recommendations were to have an occupational therapy assessment, speech assessment, appointment with a pediatric psychiatrist. It's been a year since then - we have done all of their recommendations and will go for a second round of testing in the fall. The assessments have led us to a totally different oppinion of what's wrong with our ds than we had originally thought, but still we feel like we have more questions then answers. We have decided to make a trip to some place like the Mayo clinic for his second round of testing, because we have found that in the little communities that we are going to they don't have enough experience with different disorders to give a solid diagnosis (that and we are tired of travelling to this person and that person). Many people have told me that medical school hospitals are very good places to go as well.

Posted Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:47 pm by mgardenh

Our dd has aspergers. We got it diagnosed through a group of doctors, psychiatrists, etc at a University that has a medical school. I would try online search for a pediatric diagnostician (particularly university ones). Or try anyplace that has some particular diagnoses place (Mental health hospital). Not that you use them but usually these people can point you to someone.

Posted Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:49 pm by mgardenh
For Auditory Processing how about a pediactric audiologist or just an audiologist. Our daughter saw one recently and he told me he has a test he can do for auditory processing issues but not tell she is 6 or 7 because of the different things needed that a 4 year old is not able to do yet (lanquage development, being able to handle longer test and such). Might be a place to start.

Posted Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:33 pm by 4Truth
We were able to get a full battery of developmental testing done with our youngest a few years ago through the children's hospital. It was quite a process to get in the door (you have to be persistent!), but once in, she made great progress over the course of the next year+. It didn't "resolve" the problem, but it did get us to the point where we could actually communicate with our dd.

Posted Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:23 pm by RachelT
Every family's path will probably look different. In our case, my ds has been going to a pediatric ophthalmologist since he was 3.5 yrs. old. Long story short, when his vision was finally 20/30, it confirmed for me that our reading and spelling and writing problems were not visual but something else. We had received referrals from our pediatrician to begin speech therapy and occupational therapy (for handwriting and motor skill delays) and began those in August/September.

So, then we went to a developmental psychologist, PhD. at our state's university medical school and children's hospital, about an hour away. (I also tried to find out what our public school system had to offer, but they would have referred us to a local child psych. to do basically the same thing. My husband is a pediatrician and he chose to go to the other PhD because he valued her opinions more highly and trusted her more.)

So, we were able to get an appointment and we had a lot of papers to fill out beforehand. I also gave her reports from the speech and occ. therapists. When we arrived, she took some time to talk with us herself and ask us questions and established some trust with my son. Then, she did testing for 2-3 hours. (He was exhausted at the end!) She met with me afterward and shared her initial observations and then sent us a full report with lots of pages that explained her evaluation and diagnoses and recommendations. For us, this ended up being partly covered by insurance because along with the learning disabilities of dyslexia and dysgraphia (would not be covered by our insurance), my ds also has ADHD symptoms and this is considered "medical" for our insurance billing.

So, to try and summarize, the developmental psych. was a great help to us and she gave us the information we needed to understand a lot more of what is going on inside his mind. It also reassured us in other areas that he is doing well and working at an average or higher level. I would start by asking your pediatrician or general physician for a referral, in case the costs could be covered by insurance.

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Re: dyslexia and ADD

Unread post by mamaofredheads » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:30 pm

We discovered in Nov. that both of our boys are dyslexic. I was like you...relieved to know that that was the problem, but overwhelmed by how to help them. Since then I've done tons of research & reading.

dys-add dot com is an excellent website with lots of info on dyslexia. There is a 3 hour seminar on dyslexia on there that is wonderful. You can also call the creator of the website and ask her questions at no charge. Although she does publish an excellent program for dyslexia, her heart is to help parents of dyslexic kids and she gives you lots of other options on the seminar and on her website. We are using her program and are extremely pleased.

Another thing that is wonderful for dyslexics is Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic (rfbd dot com). With a written diagnosis, you can get recorded books for your children. There is a $65 membership fee and a $35 annual fee, plus you have to buy a special recorder. However, their selection is huge. One person told me they knew someone who used it all through college. Also, they recently added a free option where you can download books onto your computer. The selection for those isn't as large as it is for the CDs, but they have over 400 titles.

We have used MFW for 6 years, and I wasn't sure I could simplify it enough to be doable because the teaching time/intensity for the dyslexia program & getting them both through math takes up much of my day. However, after lots of prayer & talking with my husband we are going to continue on with EX to 1850. I am going to leave out some things, and simplify others. I'm buying everything in May at the book fair (David Hazell is a featured speaker for the 1st time! :) ) and will work on getting audio books from RFBD for as many things as possible, or purchasing audio books.

About half of all dyslexic children have ADD/ADHD. One of mine does & one does not. We use nutritional supplements and try to eliminate dairy, hydrogenated fats & sugar (that one's tough!) from our diets. It's made a huge difference!!

Sorry this is so long. I hope it helps a bit. Hugs to you - I do understand! :)
Glenna

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learning disability help

Unread post by HSmommi2mine » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:50 am

my3boys wrote:I thought I'd put this out there in case anyone has some experienced advice for me. My 9yo has been diagnosed with ADHD inattentive and a learning disability titled 'disorder of written expression'. The writing disability is not a motor problem, but more an inability to manage all the aspects of writing - spelling, organization, letter formation/spacing, punctuation, etc. We spend a LOT of time every day on spelling (AAS), HWT, Wordsmith Apprentice, English - this problem also spills over into written mathematics (he does fine with math application).

We've done tons of review. He always passes through the lessons - for ex. he is able to spell all the weeks spelling words correctly for dictation - but he is not able to then apply that to other writing he does. I could have him dictate to me, but I'm afraid that that might sentence him to never learning how to do it himself - on the other hand he might not be able to anyway. I'm not really sure how to proceed - any advice on how to teach writing to a kid that is apparently unable to write?
I would have him do some writing everyday but the majority of his work can done orally. The key is to look at the goal for the assignment. If the goal is not to practice the skill of getting words on paper accurately then you can do it orally. The point of spelling is to learn to spell, the point of math is to learn arithmetic so you can help with those.
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Re: learning disability help

Unread post by Julie in MN » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:18 pm

Is your son able to type? My son will produce far more information and far better composition on the keyboard.
my3boys wrote:We spend a LOT of time every day on spelling (AAS), HWT, Wordsmith Apprentice, English -
I wonder if you can condense the writing a bit. Much of learning can be done orally and has been done that way throughout history. As far as actual pencil work, can you limit it to one task per day and have high expectations as far as quality on that one piece?
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